Comments on: Roland Allen: Part 2, His Missiology http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/05/roland-allen-part-2-his-missiology/ equipping the Church for the multiplication of disciples, leaders, and churches Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:03:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Missiologically Thinking » Roland Allen: Part 1, The Man http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/05/roland-allen-part-2-his-missiology/comment-page-1/#comment-1064 Missiologically Thinking » Roland Allen: Part 1, The Man Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:58:06 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=530#comment-1064 [...] post: Roland Allen: Part 2, His Missiology, stay [...] [...] post: Roland Allen: Part 2, His Missiology, stay [...]

]]> By: JD http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/05/roland-allen-part-2-his-missiology/comment-page-1/#comment-1000 JD Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:54:26 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=530#comment-1000 You are welcome, Desi. Thank you for sharing on the blog. You are welcome, Desi. Thank you for sharing on the blog.

]]> By: desi starr http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/05/roland-allen-part-2-his-missiology/comment-page-1/#comment-998 desi starr Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:34:11 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=530#comment-998 j.d. thanks so much for this cliff's notes of cliff's notes on roland allen. i'm going to pass this along. most of my pastor type friends have had a hard time "getting into" roland allen. maybe this can be a good place to dip one's toes in and discover that the water feels pretty darn good. many of us house church planters here in denver joke about him being our patron saint. the quote you share from the spontaneous expansion of the church is one of my faves. that is what we are praying for. we have found that coaching can be a helpful solution for leadership development while not giving in to the issue of devolving authority slowly over time. knowing that leaders and churches will learn more from their mistakes then from us preventing mistakes has been huge and coaches can then help leaders process what they have learned from the experiences. i'd love to hear more about any groups that you know of that are living out these principles in real life. please pass along any info you have. you can check out some about the house church movement here in colorado, if you are interested at coloradohousechurch.com and see a map of where we have house churches at http://www.coloradohousechurch.com/churches ok, sorry this was so long. i'd love any thoughts, connections or helpful correspondence you have. -desi starr j.d. thanks so much for this cliff’s notes of cliff’s notes on roland allen.
i’m going to pass this along. most of my pastor type friends have had a hard time “getting into” roland allen. maybe this can be a good place to dip one’s toes in and discover that the water feels pretty darn good.
many of us house church planters here in denver joke about him being our patron saint. the quote you share from the spontaneous expansion of the church is one of my faves. that is what we are praying for.
we have found that coaching can be a helpful solution for leadership development while not giving in to the issue of devolving authority slowly over time. knowing that leaders and churches will learn more from their mistakes then from us preventing mistakes has been huge and coaches can then help leaders process what they have learned from the experiences.

i’d love to hear more about any groups that you know of that are living out these principles in real life. please pass along any info you have.
you can check out some about the house church movement here in colorado, if you are interested at coloradohousechurch.com and see a map of where we have house churches at http://www.coloradohousechurch.com/churches

ok, sorry this was so long. i’d love any thoughts, connections or helpful correspondence you have.

-desi starr

]]> By: Sam http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/05/roland-allen-part-2-his-missiology/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Sam Thu, 27 May 2010 13:36:56 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=530#comment-269 As a first year seminary student, Cal Guy had us at Southwestern Seminary to outline Roland Allen's, Spontaneous Expansion. Have to admit, I didn't see the relevance then, since I didn't think I would be a missionary overseas. It's interesting we have returned to Allen's mastery of missions even in our mission in America. So listen when your professor has you do an assignment. You never know what might be helpful later on! As a first year seminary student, Cal Guy had us at Southwestern Seminary to outline Roland Allen’s, Spontaneous Expansion. Have to admit, I didn’t see the relevance then, since I didn’t think I would be a missionary overseas. It’s interesting we have returned to Allen’s mastery of missions even in our mission in America. So listen when your professor has you do an assignment. You never know what might be helpful later on!

]]> By: J.D. http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/05/roland-allen-part-2-his-missiology/comment-page-1/#comment-128 J.D. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:19:29 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=530#comment-128 Thanks Chris. As missionaries, we must labor to raise up leaders as quickly as the Holy Spirit will allow. The problem with devolution is that it advocates that "no one can do 'it' as good as the missionaries, and since it took the missionaries many many years to get to where they are now to do 'it' right, then it will probably take these unchurched people even longer". Therefore, instead of seeing what the Spirit can do in the lives of the people (just as He did in the New Testament among pure polytheistic pagans), missionaries keep the focus on the new beleivers. They always think "They can't" and practically teach the people that they must depend on them to do the work of the ministry. Do missionaries provide oversight, hold people accountable, and teach them to obey Jesus' commands? Yes. The art of raising up leaders is that the people are given enough rope to "run with" but not enough rope to "hang themselves". Thanks Chris. As missionaries, we must labor to raise up leaders as quickly as the Holy Spirit will allow. The problem with devolution is that it advocates that “no one can do ‘it’ as good as the missionaries, and since it took the missionaries many many years to get to where they are now to do ‘it’ right, then it will probably take these unchurched people even longer”. Therefore, instead of seeing what the Spirit can do in the lives of the people (just as He did in the New Testament among pure polytheistic pagans), missionaries keep the focus on the new beleivers. They always think “They can’t” and practically teach the people that they must depend on them to do the work of the ministry.
Do missionaries provide oversight, hold people accountable, and teach them to obey Jesus’ commands? Yes. The art of raising up leaders is that the people are given enough rope to “run with” but not enough rope to “hang themselves”.

]]> By: Chris http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/05/roland-allen-part-2-his-missiology/comment-page-1/#comment-114 Chris Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:19:26 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=530#comment-114 I'm a little fuzzy on his "Ideas of Devolution." How can a missionary practically avoid devolution in an area full of unchurched people? Or is it that once people come to faith, then the missionary establishes the leadership? I’m a little fuzzy on his “Ideas of Devolution.” How can a missionary practically avoid devolution in an area full of unchurched people? Or is it that once people come to faith, then the missionary establishes the leadership?

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