Comments on: Apostolic Missiology: Part 1-Some Questions to Get Us Started http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/10/apostolic-missiology-part-1-some-questions-to-get-us-started/ equipping the Church for the multiplication of disciples, leaders, and churches Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:55:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: J.D. http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/10/apostolic-missiology-part-1-some-questions-to-get-us-started/comment-page-1/#comment-197 J.D. Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:11:46 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=574#comment-197 Thanks, Joseph for your post. J. D. Thanks, Joseph for your post.

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]]> By: Joseph Horevay http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/10/apostolic-missiology-part-1-some-questions-to-get-us-started/comment-page-1/#comment-196 Joseph Horevay Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:37:06 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=574#comment-196 Dr. Payne, This is a very useful discussion. First of all many evangelicals are so nervous about the nomenclature of apostle/apostolic that it is a leap for many to work through the required paradigm shift. That being said, I believe the task of church planting or assembly seeding is essentially the sphere of an apostolic man with a team that specializes in the creation of Kingdom incubators i.e. new churches. Plant and water...God increases it, set elders in place then on to the next. Indeed with modern communication and transportation a gifted team could do multi-site nearly from the get-go. Thanks for your seminal thinking. Dr. Payne, This is a very useful discussion. First of all many evangelicals are so nervous about the nomenclature of apostle/apostolic that it is a leap for many to work through the required paradigm shift. That being said, I believe the task of church planting or assembly seeding is essentially the sphere of an apostolic man with a team that specializes in the creation of Kingdom incubators i.e. new churches. Plant and water…God increases it, set elders in place then on to the next. Indeed with modern communication and transportation a gifted team could do multi-site nearly from the get-go. Thanks for your seminal thinking.

]]> By: J.D. http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/10/apostolic-missiology-part-1-some-questions-to-get-us-started/comment-page-1/#comment-131 J.D. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:30:53 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=574#comment-131 Thank you, Scott. Thank you, Scott.

]]> By: Scott Feldman http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/10/apostolic-missiology-part-1-some-questions-to-get-us-started/comment-page-1/#comment-130 Scott Feldman Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:30:56 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=574#comment-130 Dr. Payne, I can't wait for your answer to the first question regarding apostolic missiology in the West. I think this is a glaring oversight in the current church planting movement at least in the US. I've been involved with a church plant in the Baltimore-Washington area for almost five years and attended/watched a LOT of conference (SBC, Resurgence, Redeemer, Frost and Hirsch, Cole). Sadly, it seems that the paradigm most everyone operates from within the US is the church planting pastor (the one who plants and then stays for years) rather than the apostolic, which seeks to start and equip multiple churches, who then do the same. I guess I'm basically asking, why are we afraid domestically to embrace CPM methodology (undergirded by apostolic missiology) which our international missionaries use? Dr. Payne, I can’t wait for your answer to the first question regarding apostolic missiology in the West. I think this is a glaring oversight in the current church planting movement at least in the US. I’ve been involved with a church plant in the Baltimore-Washington area for almost five years and attended/watched a LOT of conference (SBC, Resurgence, Redeemer, Frost and Hirsch, Cole).
Sadly, it seems that the paradigm most everyone operates from within the US is the church planting pastor (the one who plants and then stays for years) rather than the apostolic, which seeks to start and equip multiple churches, who then do the same. I guess I’m basically asking, why are we afraid domestically to embrace CPM methodology (undergirded by apostolic missiology) which our international missionaries use?

]]> By: J.D. http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/10/apostolic-missiology-part-1-some-questions-to-get-us-started/comment-page-1/#comment-125 J.D. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:03:44 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=574#comment-125 Thanks Stan for the comment. Stay tuned. I hope I can offer answers in future posts. Until then, I see church planters as a derivative of missionaries which are a derivative of the apostles in a generic sense. Taken this way, I see several church planters in the NT. Were Timothy and Titus pastors according to our contemporary understanding? No. They planted churches. They functioned in an apostolic role for the most part. The elders were already in place in Ephesus, and Titus was to appoint elders on Crete. Were Timothy and Titus pastoral in some of their activiites? Yes, definitely. Stay tuned. Thanks Stan for the comment. Stay tuned. I hope I can offer answers in future posts. Until then, I see church planters as a derivative of missionaries which are a derivative of the apostles in a generic sense. Taken this way, I see several church planters in the NT. Were Timothy and Titus pastors according to our contemporary understanding? No. They planted churches. They functioned in an apostolic role for the most part. The elders were already in place in Ephesus, and Titus was to appoint elders on Crete. Were Timothy and Titus pastoral in some of their activiites? Yes, definitely. Stay tuned.

]]> By: Stan Meador http://www.jdpayne.org/2010/03/10/apostolic-missiology-part-1-some-questions-to-get-us-started/comment-page-1/#comment-120 Stan Meador Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:11:56 +0000 http://www.jdpayne.org/?p=574#comment-120 I'm looking forward to seeing where you go with this subject. As of yet, I don't know how you define the terms you're using, so I don't know how I would answer the question you raise. For example, how many "church planters" do you see in the New Testament? By "pastoral role" are you referring to the role described by Paul to Timothy and Titus as compared to an "apostolic role" which would be typified by whom in the New Testament? I’m looking forward to seeing where you go with this subject. As of yet, I don’t know how you define the terms you’re using, so I don’t know how I would answer the question you raise. For example, how many “church planters” do you see in the New Testament? By “pastoral role” are you referring to the role described by Paul to Timothy and Titus as compared to an “apostolic role” which would be typified by whom in the New Testament?

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